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[Menai-LUG] Mandrake 9.2 installation problem
Llywelyn Owen
2005-02-23 15:35:29 UTC
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Hello,

I'm having difficulty instaling Mandrake 9.2 from a cover disc (DVD). Mandrake 8.1 proved no problem, but 9.2 hangs with a "lost interrupt" notification when viewing kernal messages during the initial setup. This happens just after loading ide drivers I think. I can't even get as far as the graphical setup screen.
The computer is an Asrock P4S61 (everything o/b) with celeron 2.4, 512Mb and LG4040 DVD burner. It's also on a home network.
Any ideas?
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Kevin Donnelly
2005-02-23 15:53:13 UTC
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Post by Llywelyn Owen
I'm having difficulty instaling Mandrake 9.2 from a cover disc (DVD).
Mandrake 8.1 proved no problem, but 9.2 hangs with a "lost interrupt"
notification when viewing kernal messages during the initial setup. This
happens just after loading ide drivers I think. I can't even get as far as
the graphical setup screen. The computer is an Asrock P4S61 (everything
o/b) with celeron 2.4, 512Mb and LG4040 DVD burner. It's also on a home
network. Any ideas?
I would check the CD first, by running it in another PC if you have one, and
see if it gets past this or not. If it does, then I would look at the drive
cables.
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Kevin Donnelly

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Llywelyn Owen
2005-02-25 20:33:20 UTC
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Thanks for your replies,

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I would check the CD first, by running it in another PC if you have one, and
see if it gets past this or not. If it does, then I would look at the drive
cables.

It does work on all other computers I have DVD access to.
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Try booting with acpi=off

That seems do the trick, what does acpi do that made the install stick in the first place? How do I find out which installer Mandrake uses?
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However, now I can't get the setup to recognize my graphics card setup (Asrock P4S61 M/B with SiS Real256E VGA o/b) and it won't accept anything else from the list either where do I go from here?

I've downloaded SUSE 9.1 personal and that installs without a hitch the same machine, which brings me to Firefox. After I install it on SUSE 9.1 it opens fine first time then cleans up it files and it's gone! I moved the install file to my own usr directory and it's fine. Where should the installed files be deposited? Anywhere but Temp?

This current flurry of activity is an attempt to install a linux setup to my liking so that I can genuinely try to "live off it" for a month at first. I'm always falling back to Windows and don't see the benefit. I expect to install WINE soon to TRY to get TheBAT e-mail client (my favoured one) and possibly Paint Shop Pro7 working on linux. I'm very inexperienced with linux and STILL can't get my head round lots its conventions - when you explain things to me could you compare to how Windows does things wherever possible...

So you can expect quite a few questions from me in the next few weeks.
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Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley
2005-02-25 22:04:55 UTC
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Hi! I'm not sure that I have posted here before. Anyway I've been
lurking.I no longer use Mandrake*--preferring the ease of Debian--but many
of my friends in UWB halls do. I think, unless you have a specific reason
not to you should be installing 10.1. I seem to remember having some
problems installing 9.x on a machine.

*Its quite good, but not even the best one for being similar to Microsoft
Windows (cf. Xandros, &c) or having a negligible learning curve for MSW
users.


Meetings/UWB:
BTW, when do you guys meet? I'd be interested in coming some time.

I am also thinking of starting a free-software (esp. but not only
GNU/Linux--also *BSD; Firefox, OO.org, GIMP, &c on MSW/MacOS) club for UWB
students, but am not sure that there is enough demand.

The interim name for the proposed club is Student Order for the Freedom of
Computer Software (SoftFocs or SoftFox--the c and s merge into an x). If
any students/staff are here present, please
mailto:***@listserv.bangor.ac.uk with your opinion of/ideas for such
a club--subscribe at
http://listserv.bangor.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/softfocs-discuss .


Happy hacking/whatever you do,
Yours,
Joe Ll. G. Blakesley
(2004-02-25T16:04Z)

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Kevin Donnelly
2005-02-28 17:00:20 UTC
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Post by Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley
Hi! I'm not sure that I have posted here before. Anyway I've been
lurking.I no longer use Mandrake*--preferring the ease of Debian--but many
of my friends in UWB halls do. I think, unless you have a specific reason
not to you should be installing 10.1. I seem to remember having some
problems installing 9.x on a machine.
Good point.
Post by Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley
*Its quite good, but not even the best one for being similar to Microsoft
Windows (cf. Xandros, &c) or having a negligible learning curve for MSW
users.
If closeness to Windows is really important, Linspire is actually very good,
except for the thing that keeps flashing to ask you to subscribe to Click 'n'
Run ....
Post by Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley
BTW, when do you guys meet? I'd be interested in coming some time.
Good question. I gave up on meetings last year, and a couple of the most
faithful attendees (TJ, Tom) are now at gainful employment in the South of
England. But we probably should have one ... some time ...
Post by Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley
I am also thinking of starting a free-software (esp. but not only
GNU/Linux--also *BSD; Firefox, OO.org, GIMP, &c on MSW/MacOS) club for UWB
students, but am not sure that there is enough demand.
Well, why don't you combine them? You can use the MenaiLUG name if you like
and/or help run it. Quite a few of the attendees at the meetings we had were
from the Uni, so it might make sense.

One of the key things is deciding what the meetings will do - I tend to prefer
hands-on stuff, but that's difficult to set up. Having said that, I have
just set up a nice little music server this last week, which allows
individual listeners to set up and run their own playlists simultaneously,
and I'm busy ripping the whole house's CDs, LPs etc. I suppose a talk on
that would be quite welcome in studentland - you could serve music round the
house/hall! Of course, everyone would undertake to listen only to their own
CDs ....
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Kevin Donnelly

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Rhys Jones
2005-03-09 04:11:18 UTC
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Post by Kevin Donnelly
Post by Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley
BTW, when do you guys meet? I'd be interested in coming some time.
Good question. I gave up on meetings last year, and a couple of the most
faithful attendees (TJ, Tom) are now at gainful employment in the South of
England. But we probably should have one ... some time ...
I've recently subscribed to this list because I've started a job at
University of Wales Bangor, on quite an interesting project to develop
free speech technology for Welsh.
http://www.bangor.ac.uk/ar/cb/wispr.php

Aside from that, I'm still involved with the Welsh GNOME translation
efforts, and I know Kevin through those channels (haia Kevin). Though
I work largely remotely for now, I will be in the area for one week a
month, and would be delighted to meet you all.

Hwyl am y tro
Rhys
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Kevin Donnelly
2005-03-09 17:05:07 UTC
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Post by Rhys Jones
I've recently subscribed to this list because I've started a job at
University of Wales Bangor, on quite an interesting project to develop
free speech technology for Welsh.
http://www.bangor.ac.uk/ar/cb/wispr.php
Good luck, and welcome! KDE has just added a TTS app:
http://accessibility.kde.org/developer/kttsd/index.php
The main issue in developing that for Welsh would be setting up the phoneme
rules and recording the voices.
Post by Rhys Jones
Aside from that, I'm still involved with the Welsh GNOME translation
efforts, and I know Kevin through those channels (haia Kevin). Though
I work largely remotely for now, I will be in the area for one week a
month, and would be delighted to meet you all.
Perhaps we should try and organise a meeting if we could decide on a place and
time. Joe, others? Any views?
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Kevin Donnelly

www.kyfieithu.co.uk - Meddalwedd Rhydd yn Gymraeg
www.cymrux.org.uk - Linux Cymraeg ar un CD!
mapc01 at bangor.ac.uk ()
2005-03-10 02:13:20 UTC
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Post by Kevin Donnelly
Perhaps we should try and organise a meeting if we could decide on a place and
time. Joe, others? Any views?
I'd probably come to a meeting. Most Saturdays would be fine, but not the 12th


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Rhys Jones
2005-03-15 15:56:56 UTC
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Post by Kevin Donnelly
http://accessibility.kde.org/developer/kttsd/index.php
The main issue in developing that for Welsh would be setting up the phoneme
rules and recording the voices.
Well, kttsd isn't a stand-alone TTS app as such - it's more a layer on
top of the speech synthesis engine. The synthesis engine we use in CB
is Festival (http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/), for which
one of our team developed Welsh letter-to-sound rules and a Welsh
voice back in the mid-1990s.

Actually getting someone into a recording chamber and recording them
is far less of an issue than subsequent segmentation into phones and
diphones, but give us time :)

Hwyl
Rhys
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Kevin Donnelly
2005-03-15 17:08:50 UTC
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Post by Rhys Jones
Post by Kevin Donnelly
http://accessibility.kde.org/developer/kttsd/index.php
The main issue in developing that for Welsh would be setting up the
phoneme rules and recording the voices.
Well, kttsd isn't a stand-alone TTS app as such - it's more a layer on
top of the speech synthesis engine.
That's right - it can use a variety of engines. But the key point about it is
that it is the first step in embedding this into the desktop at the user
level, instead of them having to jump through various hoops to get it.
Post by Rhys Jones
The synthesis engine we use in CB
is Festival (http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/), for which
one of our team developed Welsh letter-to-sound rules and a Welsh
voice back in the mid-1990s.
Excellent. It's quite interesting to read Welsh text with the English voice,
as Thorben did for fun at the Urdd last year. It actually comes out fairly
understandably, although there are some problems with words like
"cychwyn" (which comes out as "cutch-wine"!). The range of sounds in Welsh
(especially vowel sounds) is much less, and of course there's a closer
correspondence between the orthographic and phonemic layers.
Post by Rhys Jones
Actually getting someone into a recording chamber and recording them
is far less of an issue than subsequent segmentation into phones and
diphones, but give us time :)
Fair enough, provided you promise not to take another 10 years :-)

By the way, are you around Bangor on any Saturdays when you're in the
vicinity? We were thinking of trying to set up a LUG meeting, and it may
well be on a Saturday evening.
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Kevin Donnelly

www.kyfieithu.co.uk - Meddalwedd Rhydd yn Gymraeg
www.cymrux.org.uk - Linux Cymraeg ar un CD!
Kevin Donnelly
2005-02-28 16:49:29 UTC
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Post by Llywelyn Owen
That seems do the trick, what does acpi do that made the install stick in
the first place? How do I find out which installer Mandrake uses?
ACPI is something to help modulate power usage (http://www.acpi.info), but its
implementation by different manufacturers can be buggy, and support for it is
still being worked on in Linux anyway
(http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/ACPI-HOWTO.html).

I think MDK uses its own installer, although it was originally based on Red
Hat's Anaconda. The boot manager they install will almost certainly be GRUB.
You shouldn't really have to worry about these unless you have something like
a dual-boot setup, in which case it's still relatively simple.
Post by Llywelyn Owen
However, now I can't get the setup to recognize my graphics card setup
(Asrock P4S61 M/B with SiS Real256E VGA o/b) and it won't accept anything
else from the list either where do I go from here?
I don't know how the MDK video setup is ordered, but can you try using
something like VESA 800x600 @60Hz as some sort of lowest common denominator?
If that is impossible, you would need to google on some MDK lists to see if
there is anything reported about that card.
Post by Llywelyn Owen
I've downloaded SUSE 9.1 personal and that installs without a hitch the
same machine, which brings me to Firefox. After I install it on SUSE 9.1 it
opens fine first time then cleans up it files and it's gone! I moved the
install file to my own usr directory and it's fine. Where should the
installed files be deposited? Anywhere but Temp?
I personally think SUSE is significantly better than MDK in terms of quality
control (to date ...). There should be covermounts of 9.2 about now, and
they will have updated software (eg I just discovered last week that the
version of KAudioCreator in 9.1 doesn't add ID tags properly when ripping
CDs).

Where did you install Firefox from? A SUSE rpm? A download from the Mozilla
site? How did you install it?

I would highly recommend, if you are using SUSE, to install apt4rpm, which
allows you to update packages very easily over the web by allowing the use of
a Debian-type apt repository (http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm). The latest
one listed there for 9.2 is 1.0-6.1, but bless me, I don't know where it's
located in the "real" virtual world - I'll try and find out.

Assuming you used a package from the Moz site, you might try the following
instructions for I did for 9.2, which should also work with 9.1:
1 Download installer pack from www.mozilla.org, untar, and change to the
resulting firefox-installer dir.
2 Open a terminal, type: sux [Return], and give your root password when
asked. (Graphical superuser access is necessary because the installer uses a
graphical install.) Type: mkdir /usr/local/firefox, to create a directory to
install it into.
3 Type: ./firefox-installer (that's dot-slash)
4 The installer will open. Choose Forward -> Accept -> Change
destination directory (to /usr/local/firefox), and delete the
"firefox-installer" left in the location field. Click OK.
5 Choose Forward -> Install
6 At the question about being the default browser, untick the checkbox
and click No.
7 Close the graphical installer and press Return at the terminal to get
the command prompt back.
8 Type: ln -s /usr/local/firefox/firefox /usr/local/bin/firefox, to link
the executable to a directory that is already in your path (or you could
adjust the path if you wanted).
9 Press Alt+F2, and type: firefox [Return] to start Firefox as your
user. It will ask again about being the default browser (the first time was
for the root user, now it is for your user). Again, untick the checkbox and
click No (unless you want to make it the default browser, of course - I
prefer to keep Konqueror as the default because it is better integrated with
the KDE desktop). Close Firefox again.
10 In the terminal, still as sux, type: cp /usr/lib/browser-plugins/*
/usr/local/firefox/plugins, to copy the existing plugins to a location where
Firefox can use them (you could also create symbolic links, but this is
quickest for you). Close the terminal.
11 Right-click the desktop, and select Create New -> File -> Link to
Application. Click on the icon to change it, select Other Icons, and
navigate to /usr/local/firefox/icons. Select the largest Firefox icon. Fill
in Firefox in text box, and then click the Execute tab and fill in firefox as
the Command. Click OK, and you should now have an icon on the desktop -
click it to open Firefox and start browsing.

There are, of course, a number of ways of doing all this, but the above seems
to work OK :-), and ensures you can use the latest Firefox release. However,
using rpms will ensure a more consistent system, that can be updated by
YaST/apt4rpm.
Post by Llywelyn Owen
This current flurry of activity is an attempt to install a linux setup to
my liking so that I can genuinely try to "live off it" for a month at
first. I'm always falling back to Windows and don't see the benefit. I
expect to install WINE soon to TRY to get TheBAT e-mail client (my favoured
one) and possibly Paint Shop Pro7 working on linux. I'm very inexperienced
with linux and STILL can't get my head round lots its conventions - when
you explain things to me could you compare to how Windows does things
wherever possible...
Yes, you're right. Unless you actually switch off your Windows box and use
nothing but Linux for a while, you never make the changeover properly. Each
time there is an issue with Linux, you will tend to go back to Windows,
because that's easiest, instead of taking the 20 minutes to learn how to do
it on Linux - that's what you had to do on Windows originally, but of course
you tend to forget the time spent in the past.

I've looked at theBAT's features (http://www.thebat-email.com/features.html),
and to be frank, there are none of these you couldn't do with KMail, which is
the default KDE email app. To ease your transition, I would suggest starting
off by using it - it really is very good, and is also part of a wider
Outlook-type setup called Kontact, if you need that. You could also try
Mozilla Thunderbird, if you want to look at something that runs on both OSs.
You could then investigate how far theBAT will run under WINE, if at all.

PSP is listed as a Gold app at WINE HQ, so presumably that should run without
issues. However, you might also have a look at the GIMP. This has a complex
interface (but then so does PSP!), but is very good, especially in the latest
incarnation (2.2, I think). There will be a learning curve, though. For SVG
vector drawing, you should look at the excellent Inkscape
(http://www.inkscape.org). For 3D work, Blender (http://www.blender3d.org)
is the standard app, but again, not something you'll pick up in an afternoon.
For 2D tech drawing, you might look at QCad
(http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html).
Post by Llywelyn Owen
So you can expect quite a few questions from me in the next few weeks.
Fine :-) I may not be able to answer all of them, though!
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Kevin Donnelly

www.kyfieithu.co.uk - Meddalwedd Rhydd yn Gymraeg
www.cymrux.org.uk - Linux Cymraeg ar un CD!
TJ
2005-02-23 16:01:11 UTC
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Hi,

Try booting with acpi=off

eg is the install disk is using syslinux boot loader, push
the f# keys to sys what options there are and how it
input them.
if recall correctly type:
linux acpi=off
to boot the installer with this kernel option.

if its installed:

for grub boot loader edit the boot command and add
acpi=off on the end
(edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to keep it for next boot)

for lilo you can't change boot option on the fly
you'll need to edit /etc/lilo.conf, find the append line
and add acpi=off, then run lilo to rebuild the boot sector.

Sorry if all those options scare, but i dont know which boot
loader you using to boot linux, and its the boot loader that
passes kernel options to the kernel (acpi=off is a kernel option)

Ofcourse in the end acpi=off may not solve your problem,
its just a possibility that it will provide enough of a workaround
for your computer to boot.
(once installed update your kernel asap, acpi=off is not a long
term solution)

Thorben

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:36:58 +0000, Llywelyn Owen
Post by Llywelyn Owen
Hello,
I'm having difficulty instaling Mandrake 9.2 from a cover disc (DVD). Mandrake 8.1 proved no problem, but 9.2 hangs with a "lost interrupt" notification when viewing kernal messages during the initial setup. This happens just after loading ide drivers I think. I can't even get as far as the graphical setup screen.
The computer is an Asrock P4S61 (everything o/b) with celeron 2.4, 512Mb and LG4040 DVD burner. It's also on a home network.
Any ideas?
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